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01/19/1999-PZ-Minutes-RegularMINUTES: PLANNING AND ZONING JANUARY 19, 1999 PRESENT: Woodrow Barton, Rick Carter, Joe Falls, Joe Higgs, Polly Dwyer ABSENT: Charles Fenoglio, Mary Belle Sims OTHERS PRESENT: City Administrator Jack Smith, City Secretary Rose Chavez, Administrative Secretary Samantha Renz, Carroll McNeill, Jerry Jenkins, Glenn Ervin, Alice Madden, Tommy Kincaid, Ron Williamson, Fern Hutto, Ken Cornell, Jeff McNeill, Frank Ballard 1. Rick Carter Called Meeting to Order. 2. Consider and Possible Action on Preliminary Plat for Bridal Path Estates in the Henry Tierwester Survey, Abstract 1241. Located on Belz Road and Interstate 35 Service Road. City Administrator Jack Smith indicated he had talked to the City Engineer and the City Engineer would not be at the meeting, but had indicated Greg Edwards would be there to address the items on his review letter. Greg Edwards, 300 N. CarrollBlvd Suite D, indicated they were requesting a variance from the alley requirements on all lots and the sidewalk requirements on the residential lots. He indicated the commercial lots are large, and the residential lots are designed for luxury homes. There will be a trail around the area that would provide for pedestrian access and horse operations around the property. Rick Carter asked what the trail would be made of. Mr. Edwards indicated they would be grass or open space, it would be thirty foot wide. Ron Williamson, the developer, spoke against the alleys and sidewalks, he indicated they were trying to create an ambiance of a first rate residential development, a high level equine center. They wanted to take advantage of the present bums, and have the back yards butting up against the bridal paths. He felt this would be unique for this area. Mr. Williams indicated most of these residents would use the back yards more than the front yards, and with the bridal path, sidewalks would be too much. Discussed direction of garage entry, and privacy fences. Discussed alleys. Mr. Edwards indicated he lived in the South ridge area in Denton, with the width of the lots they have very little on street parking, and there is plenty of room for pedestrians since they have wider streets. Woodrow Barton indicated he had lived in upscale areas in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, and those areas bad sidewalks and alleys. He also indicated there may be an Ordinance that prohibits animals inside the city limits. He wanted to know if they were supposed to be approving a development inside the city limits, or in Sanger's ETJ, and also if they were planning to annex this land at some point. Discussed what part of the land was currently in the city limits. Mr. Barton indicated it would be great as a county development. Joe Falls addressed annexing the property, he indicated it was his impression if this plat was approved the property would be annexed. Mr. Williamson indicated this was his intention. Discussed city utilities. Mr. Edwards addressed the issue of animals in the city limits, he indicated it was his understanding that the barns and horse operations would be a non conforming use and would be allowed to stay as that as Jong as the operation was maintained, this is what his research had indicated. Mr. Williams indicated it would not be difficult to bring people to Sanger, but he wanted to offer them a package. Mr. Barton expressed concern as to who would be responsible for maintaining the bridle path, and cleaning up after the horses. Mr. Williamson indicated the development will be responsible,and also indicated he will be on site, and will take care of maintenance. Joe Falls indicated there were areas in Ft. Worth with lots this size that allowed horses, but did not have bridle paths, he commended Mr. Williamson for his idea. Discussed the number of horses allowed per house, and the number of stalls that will be in the development Joe Higgs addressed the curbs on the streets, and indicated he would prefer the driveways be feathered out, and not have curbs on them. The developer and his engineer agreed. Mr. Barton indicated the city had approved engineering studies for sewer lines in that area. Discussed size of sewer line, and what would be adequate to service the area. Mr. Barton expressed concerns about boring under the highway every time there is a new development. Mr. Edwards indicated a 12" sewer line would service more than what is proposed in their plan. Discussed sewer lines, and the servicing the area surrounding the development. Discussed roads. Mr. Barton indicated that on the plans, Cobb Rd. showed 60 ft., and may need to show 80 ft. Mr. Edwards noted the correction. Mr. Barton again referred to alleys, and indicated alleys would be necessary for garbage pick up. He expressed concerns that the garbage would be set out on the curb. Mr. Barton indicated he for sees, and will encourage the City of Sanger to recycle everything, if that happens they will no longer need garbage trucks. Mr. Williamson indicated he would prefer they use the bridal path for garbage pick up instead of putting in paved alleys. Mr. Barton asked if the bridal paths would be unpaved. Mr. Williamson indicated they would not be paved. Polly Dwyer expressed concerns of large garbage trucks driving on non paved roads, and also the trash pick up for the houses on the interior lots. She indicated they could possibly put an alley between the back yards of those houses. Mr. WiJJiams indicated he did not want alleys in this development. Joe Higgs moved to accept the plat, with variances, as is. Discussion. Motion died for lack of second. Mr. Williamson indicated he did not know why the board was apprehensive, and suggested the apprehensions were non founded. He felt if there were problems it would be to his benefit to talce care of it, and do what is best for the development. Mr. Barton indicated this needed to be done right, and he would like something that was in compliance with the ordinances. Mr. Williamson indicated no development in Sanger had sidewalks. Mr. Barton indicated he wants sidewalks. Mr. Carter indicated he felt that issue was addressed with wider streets, and that would provide adequate pedestrian access. Mr. Falls indicated the only traffic will basically be the residents in the development. Joe Falls moved to approve the plan as drawn , variances given on sidewalks, to accept the bridal paths as alleys on the outer limits, and approve alley construction plans for lots 1 through 28 to have an alley at the back to accommodate requirements for alleys. Woodrow Barton seconded. Motion Carried 3 to 2. Voted For: Voted Against: Polly Dwyer Woodrow Barton Joe Falls Rick Carter Joe Higgs 3. Any Other Such Matters. None. 4. Meeting Adjourned.