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05/20/1998-CC-Minutes-Work SessionMINUTES: City Council Workshop May 20, 1998 PRESENT: Mayor John Coker, Councilman Tommy Kincaid, Councilwoman Alice Madden, Councilman Glenn Ervin, Councilman Mike James, Councilman Jerry Jenkins OTHERS PRESENT: City Administrator Jack Smith, City Secretary Rosalie Chavez, Micky Flood, Fletcher Kelly, Gene Orcutt, Tom Brown, Marion Tyler 1. Mayor Coker Called the Meeting to Order, Councilwoman Madden led the Invocation. 2. Discuss Future Development. Council went into a lengthy discussion concerning future developments with IESI. Fletcher Kelly indicated that since Council has a new City Manager, and a new Councilman, they wanted to present a short version of the site plans. Their concept was a public/private partnership. They presented sketched drawings of the site plan. Mr. Micky Flood indicated the City has a 25 acre landfill site which was covered and closed prior to Subtitle D, explaining that Subtitle D was the new Federal regulation that caused many landfill closings throughout the United States. Small City landfills could not afford to stay opened. Mr. Flood gave a report on the requirement of today's landfills -- liners and 2 feet recompactor clay, and in the drainage that is put in the bottom of the site which basically takes the rain water on site and runs down to a sub area at the bottom of the site that is pumped out and put into sewer treatment facility. Mr. Flood described in detail the process and indicated this water is not a bad contaminated or hazardous substance and with a little treatment this water can be used to water the golf course. Mr. Flood indicated that in going forward the plan is to open the 25 acre site, lining it with most current required liner and during this process move the City's garbage over to the lined site enhancing the integrity of the site. Once the site is open they assume the liability by saying they have a total complete Subtitle D site that is in double liner system which now it is not. They will then be complying under Subtitle D Regulations. They will secure additional land to expand the landfill. They have procured 292 acres - Cooper site and Miller site 200 acres and have bought 5 more acres on the west side of the railroad where they will move their office and maintenance facilities and run their North Texas routes and set up their North Texas headquarters. They will apply to TNRCC for amendment of the permit and when the City and IESI receives amendment of the permit it will then be transferred to IESI. Mayor Coker inquired as to the water that could be used - lacheate water. Mickey Flood indicated it can be; however it is not that much. Mayor Coker indicated there was a lot of discussion about this water at the last Council meeting. Fletcher Kelly indicated it is a small amount and the most that can be generated at any time is about 1,000 gallons a day and then it gets less and less which is mostly rain water that mixes with the trash. Fletcher indicated that at end of the landfill they will put another plastic cup on top of everything to keep rain water from getting in. CC MINUTES - WORKSHOP PAGE 2 05/20/98 Mr. Flood indicated any water that touches the trash has to be treated before it is released from the site. It also has to be analyzed before it is treated. Discussion followed with Mr. Kelly explaining how it is treated. The water is pumped into a batch system 250,000 gallons steel lead tanks. The tank will fill until it reaches treatment standards and can be released to the treatment plant. It takes a week to get the test results and while they wait for the test results and then they will proceed to fill the other tank. The city's waste water personnel will then advise what rate of water they want released at any given time. They will not slugged it, it will be a dribble in to the sewer system depending on how many gallons a day the sewer treatment operator wants to be released. Mr. Flood indicated this water is not bad since there is nothing bad brought into the site. There is no hazardous waste, no medical waste, no liquid waste brought in, there is no material except what they would find in households and businesses. In most cities they want control over hazardous waste. A customer by law must advise if they are generating hazardous waste so it can be handled properly. Mr. Flood indicated there are licensed haulers for the state of Texas for asbestos. They have certified personnel who have been given thorough training and significant amount of class time. They will not haul it until the proper manifest is put up. It will also not be hauled to their current landfill. It would be hauled to an asbestos approved landfill. Discussion followed on the hauling of this material. The city wants to be able to control it and to make sure it is done right. This is the reason for the appendix on the current franchise agreement and in essence it lists all the worse stuff you can in America dump in a landfill. The contractor by law can not haul it unless there is a special permit and by law the contractor can not haul it unless it is taken by special permit. Mr. Flood again explained in detail on how asbestos material is handled. Councilman James asked under a special permit will they haul asbestos to our landfill? Mr. Flood indicated he has not given it much thought and again reiterated on what type trash they can take, no PCB or medical waste or low contamination radioactive medical waste. They do not take liquids. Councilman James asked about sludge whether it was considered liquid waste. Mickey Flood's reply was no. Councilman Jenkins asked about septic tank sludge. Fletcher Kelly indicated it is tested and must pass a filter paint test, and if it has water it can not be taken, it is then considered liquid waste. Fletcher gave an example. If the City has asbestos transit pipe in the water system and the City later wants them to take it they could not unless an application was submitted for asbestos. Mr. Flood indicated they can take Sanger's treatment waste into a Type I landfill site that has been applied for and certified that is below any type of hazardous standards. He gave an example which was Dallas. They do haul sludges presently at the City of Valley View and Justin. It is carried to a landfill that handles sludges. It must be tested, and pass a paint filter test. They have a manifest (like a shipping CC MINUTES - WORKSHOP 05/20/98 PAGE 3 document) which everyone signs off. If the test comes back with heavy metals it then goes to a Class I Site. When they say special waste they are talking about material out of the ordinary that is not hazardous, but is along the normal course. These have to go to each party - that will handle it. If it is acceptable it can go to a sludge Type I site, and everyone signs off on it. Mr. Flood indicated in some states asbestos is not a hazardous waste. Mr. Flood indicated if this is an issue for IESI to handle and take it to the site, it is not a big business for them. Mr. Flood indicated in the hauling contract it is listed since it is good to have for they want to make sure material it is handled properly. Mr. Flood spoke then in reference to medical waste which has to be treated to be able to take to a Type I landfill. They chose not to take this type of waste because it is not worth the aggravation. The untreated sludge they do not take to Type I landfills, however, treated sludge they do as long as it meets the TCLP, and meets the paint filter test. The City might want them to have this so they can take the City's sludge. Sludge material was discussed in detail. Councilman James indicated that on the document that they have it does state that anything as defined by the contractor as special waste can be picked up if there is a special agreement between the generator and the contractor, being the City and TESL Councilman James asked that the document does not indicate anything about a contract between IESI and them. Councilman James expressed concern about what TNRCC laws indicate as to what specifically can go into Type I landfills. It talks about Industrial Waste Class 2 and 3 can be put in a Type I landfill if the landfill gets a special permit from TNRCC, also Class 1 Industrial Waste can be dumped if given the authority of the TNRCC. What will keep them from going to the TNRCC to get all these extra authorizations to take all these industrial wastes in their landfill? Fletcher Kelly indicated it will be listed on the application and must go through the City, and it must be agreed. Examples were given on types of Industrial Waste. Councilman James discussed that all along all he ever heard was that a Type I landfill quote was "household garbage", and he never saw the definition as to what constitutes household garbage until recently. Councilman James indicated that if they had known these facts ahead of time when all these issues came up on special waste Council could have acted a lot more intelligently among these people instead they came across as really stupid. Mr. Flood indicated as a company they are on the side of being conservative. They are not an aggressive company to go out and get all that special waste, it is not in their nature to do that. - Discussed was an example of Class II Waste that IESI does have which is from several mobile home manufacturers the insulation they cut and trim is hazardous waste. Councilman Jenkins asked if those trimmings were placed in a dumpster or are they using special containers -not the everyday container pickups. CC MINUTES - WORKSHOP PAGE 4 05/20/98 The reply from the District Manager was that typically they did use special containers, it all depends on the bill, and a large manufacturer like this usually dictates using large individual containers, either compacted or open type. Discussed was the process of hauling this insulation which is classified Class H hazardous waste. Fletcher Kelly indicated the City can control what type of waste goes into the landfill. Discussion followed on special waste and how the protest that came from the community was due to the list regarding special waste in the agreement. (1) Discussed was how this information was misrepresented and used as a "scare tactic". (2) Discussed was that each of the items discussed as a special waste has to be listed on the permit, and the City has control over what goes into the landfill. Mr. Kelly indicated that when they file there is a specific section which is a list of waste that can be accepted and a list that will not be accepted. Mr. Flood indicated the permit has not been filed. Councilwoman Madden indicated that what she read on special waste between the contractor and the generator is that it takes approval of an executive director and it does not take the approval of the City. Mr. Kelly indicated that it depends on how the permit is written. The executive director is TNRCC and there are certain things an executive director can approve. The permit must be written right or written with the ability to take it without the prohibition of taking it. Any request that are made must come through the City and submitted by the City. They can not slip it in without telling the City. An example given was that if the permit indicated they can not take special medical waste then an executive director can not override it. The request must come through a public hearing. Councilman Jenkins stated that any typical request by the City is a rubber stamp. It does not matter if they talk about it here, it is automatic exception for the landfill. Mr. Flood stated it was not any more. The state listens more to a City than a private industry. The City must go through the same rule that they do. He indicated TNRCC might be more lenient on how they would interrupt the way the City operates something than they would with private industry. He indicated there were cases he has seen over the years, which he was sure Councilman Jenkins had also. In handling any special waste it must define on the permit and how they would handle it, because then it becomes mandated as to their operations. Mr. Kelly continued with discussion on the permit application. Mr. Kelly expressed that if the City says that they will not specifically do something they can not go back and get it later without another public hearing. At that point the permit must be amended which is a 2 year process. Discussion. Councilman Kincaid indicated that in the beginning they had to keep quiet for a particular reason. The time was too long and the meetings to inform the people were put off too long, and this has led to where they are presently. An issue expressed by Councilman Kincaid was the opposition of the public and how CC MINUTES - WORKSHOP PAGE 5 15/20/98 hard it would be for the citizens to change their minds on the issue. Councilman Jenkins agreed and expressed now the people are upset over the issue. There was concern on how the citizens have come up with wrong fictitious information. Mr. Flood continued to discuss the proposed plan of opening the 25 acre site. The golf course was discussed in length. Mr. Flood discussed a letter he had sent the City Administrator outlining estimated construction costs and plans of what has to be done. Mr. Flood continued to discuss the package of the City: (1) $180,000 of soil given to the City for the golf course. (2) Includes now paying for a consultant to do a lot of the preparatory of the golf course. (3) Free residential collection. The City will continue to be billed for the service. Estimated revenue at $180,000 a year for the City to keep. (4) 6% franchise fees and commercial customer sales tax estimated at $20,000 to $25,000. (5) Free recycling center. The revenue to the City is $225,000 that does not include personal property taxes or real estate taxes. They will have no less than 2 to 3 million dollars in assets on site at anytime. This is above the $225,000. The additional $24,000 for the consultant is not included. This person would do the feasibility study and whatever needs to be done in getting the golf course constructed. When IESI gets the expansion, which the contract states 140 acres, estimated at this time to be 170 acres, which is part of their package contribution to the City when they get their permit, making an outright grant of the property to the City. Mr. Flood explained that the seller of the property wants to see the golf course getting built, and not procrastinate. Therefore, there is a contract with Hank Cooper which he tried to incorporate into the City contract. In summary, once the City begins any effort such as a feasibility study or anything to that activity, it qualifies the City for doing something. Councilman Kincaid indicated that part of that deal is that if the City does not complete the golf course within two years it reverts back to IESI, and they have to build it. Mr. Kelly and Mr. Fletcher both agreed; however, Mr. Flood indicated this will not happen for at least 3 years. Mr. Flood indicated that during this 3 years the City will be collecting $225,000, where at this time the City should begin doing feasibility studies, planning and architectural drawings for the golf course. Discussion on contract which Mr. Flood indicated he put a minimum of 20,000 yards of dirt each year which he is not opposed, is also putting architectural bermes while the golf course is taking place. Councilwoman Madden indicated that in the contract it states the land reverts back to IESI if gold course does not get built. Discussion followed on this issue. It was determined that the contract does state that the land reverts back to Hank Cooper if the City does not build the golf course and then if Hank does not build it reverts back to IESI. CC MINUTES - WORKSHOP PAGE 6 15/20/98 Councilwoman Madden asked if IESI does not build the golf course can the land be used as part of the landfill. Mr. Flood indicated that he does not believe so, and this can be struck from the contract. Discussed was possible projection revenues on the golf course. Other issues addressed was Hank Cooper's being the touring pro. Mr. Flood was directly asked by Councilman James if they were sponsoring Hank Cooper, and Mr. Flood indicated they were not. Discussion followed and Mr. Flood confirmed that the land that was donated for the goIf course would never be used for a landfill if the golf course was not built. Mr. Flood expressed how this is a good project, and when it is said and done it will not create a problem for the community. Concerns were expressed by Council as to whether IESI could ever reapply to TNRCC to change elevation. Again it was explained that the City has control over what is submitted. Mr. Flood expressed that he would not build something that would endanger anybody. He also indicated that the first house built on the golf course lot would be his home. The following issues were discussed: (1) Texas Waste Management's site in Lewisville. (2) The closest residence to the footprint of the landfill is between 800 to 900 feet, and then what will be seen is the golf course and bermes. Mr. Flood discussed bringing in transfer trailers to the site. He explained 50 or less trucks a day would go to the landfill. The site would be opened 12 hours a day. The hours of operation is put on the permit and once it is officially approved they can not change unless a request for an amendment is filed. Discussion on the site and the permit procedures continued. Mr. Flood indicated Council could visit a facility in Haltom City that butts up to residential. Mr. Flood discussed the cleaning of the dump trucks. They actually have a vendor who handles this. The utility service rates billed to IESI were discussed. It was confirmed that these rates came from prior City Administrator. Their contract also had a section that indicated that whatever the current rate was at the time the operation was on line is the rate they will pay. Councilman James indicated this was a concern of one of the gentlemen at the last Council meeting. Discussed. Councilman Jenkins inquired as to what is the response from a statement made at CC MINUTES -WORKSHOP PAGE 7 OS/20/98 the last meeting by a lady concerning the monitoring well and how it is monitored on a quarterly basis. Mr. Kelly indicated the State and the EPA decide how it is monitored. This is under the ground water. Discussion followed. - Mr. Flood indicated the flow is not toward the lake. Mr. Kelly indicated a small part of Mr. Miller's property does drain to the lake. Mr Kelly indicated that regardless of where it goes they are not supposed to let it get out. Discussion on how the ground water is monitored. Mr. Kelly went into a lengthy discussion on how the wells were dug and what has been found in the process. Mr. Flood discussed that they had done an Economic indicator on what the impact the company would have if they moved to Sanger. Discussion on employment, wages, and operating expenses of IESI. Mr. Flood indicated the first year total spent would be 1.5 million on the activity level they bring to the community. Mr. Flood indicated that they City of Sanger's responsibility would be to allow IESI to expand landfill, support IESI in permanent expansions, annex any property that becomes part of the landfill, with favorable zoning and platting, agree to build and operate a golf course and negotiate in good faith to allow Hank Cooper a management position at the golf course, allow leachate discharge to City sewer, upgrade Utility Road and extend the water and sewer line to the landfill. Discussion on leachate discharge and how it is handled. Mr. Flood indicated that he was asked by someone the life expectancy on the synthetic liner, and his response was he did not know. Discussion followed on the process of the synthetic liner. Councilman Jenkins referred to Item 3 and indicated that in his opinion the City can not afford to build a golf course or operate it at this time, in a few months, or a year. The only option as he sees it is to get a corporation or a company to agree to build, operate, run it and receive the revenues for "x" number of years. How will this affect Item 3. Mr. Flood's reply was that the City should do a feasibility study. He referred to a letter from Bob Miller on estimated cost of building a golf course. Mr. Miller built Iron Horse at a cost of 5.2 million. The land was not in the calculation. The second most expensive item was the dirt. Discussed was Mr. Flood giving the City 60,000 yards of dirt for three (3) years. Mr. Miller came up with a 3.5 million construction cost. Mr. Flood discussed projected revenues from the rounds played at the golf course. Then Mr. Flood indicated that what they feel confident about is the rounds they put in estimates are conservative. Mr. Flood gave projections on 2'7,500 rounds assuming that they are at a $400,000 number -does not include taxes which may be subject to someone saying their off by $30,000 and with the sales tax added it will be over the amount. CC MINUTES - WORKSHOP PAGE 8 05/20/98 Mr. Flood indicated that they now have a $400,000 economic incentive with a 3.5 million dollar debt and now taking into consideration the dirt, the $25,000 from Mr. Cooper, not including the City wells and at 27,500 rounds, which is the least amount of rounds anywhere around this area by lot. The first year the City will have a surplus of $20,417 and fully carrying the note. The second year is $82,000 surplus. Mr. Flood continued by giving revenues on 30,000 rounds. Again, he emphasized m how the City needed a study done and he referred to Mr. Miller doing the study. Councilman James indicated that a feasible study needed to be made. You can not build a golf course and expect people to show up. There will be advertising and marketing costs associated with trying to get people to come to the location. These will be additional costs. Discussion followed on the golf course. Issues discussed: (1) Competition in the area. (2) Landscape trees. (3) IESI's equipment that can be used to place dirt wherever they want - which is Miller's projected third highest cost of construction. Councihman James indicated what he is scared of is taking all the savings and placing it into a money pit where the city can not make money. He indicated that he would rather take the 350,000 dollars and put it back into the community and not in the golf course that might not make it on it's own. Councilman James indicated that the citizens of the community have expressed this to him vocally in their comments. The comments reflecting how this money will not get their streets paved, but will go towards the golf course. Mayor Coker asked if there was a possibility of hiring someone and leasing it or getting another company to build the golf course, and taking it for ten years, then after that time revert it back to the City. Mr. Flood indicated if the City wants someone else to come in and manage it they are not opposed. The only issue to take into consideration is Mr. Cooper. If the golf course is not a success then II:SI has lost on the golf course lots. Mr. Flood indicated the feedback he has gotten from the State, County and industry, is that a lot of folks are watching this project, and that the project itself will stand for a well planned integration. Mr. Flood does not know any other site in the State of Texas that you can go in and start by remediating an existing landfill and bring it up to the most current standards to law presently. Then the second thing they are generating is an economic string for the City which is common, remediating a landfill site is uncommon, and the economic incentives are not uncommon. Then when the City constructs the golf course in conjunction with the entire project then basically the project has been planned. The homes that are immediately affected have golf course lots. The homes are 800 feet away from the footprint and between the 800 feet is the golf course which there is bermes and trees. It is all environmentally safe and he will build his home and live in that location and he does not have an environmental concern. Mr. Flood then discussed again the concern Council had on whether the golf course CC MINUTES - WORKSHOP PAGE 9 05/20/98 would make it. Mr. Flood indicated based on the feedback he gets from Mr. Miller (who is his golf course source) he put in those rounds and dollars and the volume are all verifiable. The revenue string for the City is verifiable. Discussion on projected revenues on the golf course and in future years based on rounds played. Councilman Jenkins asked where will the funds come from to build the project. Mr. Smith discussed Certificates of Obligation. They can borrow 3.5 million or whatever from Southwest Securities at 5.5% interest. Councilman Jenkins asked if Southwest Securities have committed themselves to letting the City borrow the funds. City Administrator indicated they have not since he was not sure on the amount they needed. Discussion on the feasibility study, and again on the revenues to finance the project, the buffer area between the golf course, and the landfill. Discussion of the boundaries IESI will control. Mr. Flood indicated the plan presented to Council is what they will take to the State for their expansion, and anything they do to that permit from then on will be contingent upon City approval. - Another issue discussed was the prevailing winds and it was determined south to north (almost due south). Mayor Coker expressed that there was a doctor at the last meeting who made indications that there were some deaths south of the old landfill that he contributed to the old landfill. He indicated this will probably be brought up later. Issues addressed: (1) Regulations standards. (2) Bond that is posted with State to provide for closure and post -closure in case IESI walks away at any point, or in case IESI goes bankrupt. (3) Elevations of the sketch design was discussed and the first cut at the landfill will be 20 feet. (4) Design will fit to the rest of this site and slope to the hill - it will blend to the rest of the contour. (5) Elevations of the high point of the landfill. Councilman Jenkins asked if there is any consideration given to schools. Councilman Jenkins expressed concern of the community in regards to the landfill. Mr. Flood discussed plans to educate the public: (1) Advertising (2) They had contacted the Chamber to conduct a presentation which they opted not to hear their presentation. (3) Presentation to the Lions Club. Mr. Flood indicated he picks 25 franchise cities in Texas. Councilwoman Madden inquired about citizens concern as to the question on hazardous waste -which they expressed all that is needed is a permit. CC MINUTES - WORKSHOP PAGE 10 05/20/98 The presentations will continue in an ongoing basis every week, and they will be out and about with presentations. A mailout to every Sanger resident has been sent. IESI indicated they are ready to meet with the media and if they can get TNRCC that will help. Discussion followed on how the community needs to allow IESI to talk to them. Mayor Coker indicated they have a meeting set up on June 1, 1998 to discuss issues of concern with this group. Council decided to set the meeting at Chishohn Trail Elementary. Discussion on certain issues that were addressed by certain citizens at the last Council meeting. Councilman Jenkins asked if they have met with Bolivar Water. Fletcher Kelly indicated they will meet with them tomorrow. Discussion followed on Bolivar Water, and to address concern. Councilman James indicated that what IESI needed to do on advertisement is try to inform the public true facts. Discussion followed - Issues addressed were: (1) Enhancement of the 25 acre site when it opens. (2) Establishing a relationship with the community. (3) Educational process on landfills. (4) Public Hearing - to allow everyone an opportunity to say anything on the expansion which is about year away. Mayor Coker indicated that Council is planning a meeting on June 1 on the landfill. Mayor Coker asked if anyone could come from TNRCC from Ft. Worth for the June 1 meeting. Mayor Coker also indicated IESI needed to be there. This will allow IESI opportunity to answer citizen's questions. Mr. Flood indicated that it is important to them to meet with the group leaders prior to the June 1 meeting. Councilman Jenkins indicated the people who were designated speakers from the group — Richard Muir, Joanne Roberts, Thomas Muir, Mr. and Mrs. Andrew Foote. Discussed was the meeting that was held Monday, and how awkward it all was. The incorrect information that was passed around over the weekend to the citizens in regards to the landfill. The meeting was discussed on how it should be controlled and how TNRCC needs to be at that meeting. Councilman Jenkins indicated these people are ready to take action and they will sue the City of Sanger if they have to. Mr. Flood again discussed how they plan to inform the public and the preparations they are taking to pursue in informing the citizens. Mr. Flood indicated that this issue will die down once the landfill opens. CC MINUTES -WORKSHOP OS/20/98 PAGE 11 Councilman Jenkins asked Mr. Flood that he had made a statement earlier on, that once it became a public matter and there was protest with the people of Sanger not wanting the landfill, that they will pick up their toys and go home. Councilman Jenkins asked Mr. Flood if he recalled making that statement. Mr. Flood indicated that a lady came up to him and asked the same question, and he did not recall or remember making the statement. He indicated that he told this lady that if he had made the statement he would have done so before he had made any investments. Councilman James indicated that Mr. Flood used it in the tent as coming into the community and being a good neighbor and if he had so much opposition from the community he would pack his toys and go home. Discussion followed on the group leaders to contact on the different committees. Councilman Jenkins indicated that these people are concerned about some of the contents on the information floating around. The information is bogus and Council is not allowed to respond to them by law in their meetings. Council can not really say what needs to be said, or Council will politically cut their own throat. Councilman Jenkins indicated it is a personal issue now, and tempers will start flaring and it needs to be diffused now because if it is not diffused a lawsuit will come either from them or IESI. Councilman Jenkius indicated in his opinion where will the least harm come to the City of Sanger in actions that he might take. Councilman James asked 'financially', and Councilman Jenkins concurred. Councilman Jenkins indicated they can not even fix a sewer maintenance and now the City is fixing to build a golf course, and going into agreements that he indicated is a concerned. Discussion. Mr. Flood again reiterated environmental security of the project, the commitment by IESI, the economic incentive to the City and the liability of the golf course as a money making stand alone entity for the City. Mr. Flood indicated that the golf course is an ideal integration of the project. Discussed was the concern of how the trash trncks will come in. Mr. Flood indicated they will use I-35 and FM 455, and FM 455 will not be used any more than what they are using it now. Another issue Mr. Flood discussed was that they will not bring out of state waste -- it is not economically feasible, and he can commit to that. Discussion and other issues addressed were the permit application process. The need for a site in this area. The economic incentive on the site is IESI. The next source is the City of Gainesville -presently they are taking their waste to Farmers Branch - and hope they can be competitive to get their business. The other is the internal waste they will bring from Haltom City transfer station. They pick up Haltom city and Forest Hill, and they will also go after other municipal franchises and the other CC MINUTES - WORKSHOP 05/20/98 PAGE 12 two cities that have any potential at all is Sherman and Denison. They haul Justin, Krum, Ponder, Sadler, Collinsville, Lake Kiowa, Whitesboro, and Kruegerville which are all small cities. Discussion on the routes they take. Councilwoman Madden asked that on the contract it refers to IESI and the assignee, who is the assignee? Mr. Flood indicated whoever the City approves for it to be assigned to. Mr. Flood referred that in the contract if they sold the company, they can not sell it unless they are approved by Council. Councilwoman Madden asked if their hauling could be sub -contracted out to someone else instead of IESI doing it themselves. Mr. Flood indicated he does not sub -contract trash since he feels they do a better job. Also, Mr. Flood would not sub -contract due to the liability involved. Maria Tyler -with the Margulies Communications Group inquired as to the names of the people to contact. IESI hired them for public relations for consultants to formulate some of the process IESI must go through. The names given were Joanne Roberts, Richard Muir, Joey Copeland, Thomas Muir, Mary Lou and Roy Abney, Woodrow Barton, Pinky Jones, Butch Langley, Charles Drake, Chris Hayes and Diana Cruz. (City Administrator indicated Mrs. Cruz wants to build a new business and is so concerned about moving forward with her plans to build -- her lease is up since the property she was leasing was sold to Jack in the Box; she is so afraid of the impact the landfill will have on her new business if she builds). Discussion followed. Councihnan Jenkins indicated his concern is the physical impact as a whole this will have on the community. ens complaints indicate illegal meetings were held and the public was not notified. Councilman James indicated there was a comment made by a realtor that they are required to disclose any type of information within a three mile radius. Councilman James indicated he does not think this is a law, and can they find out if this is true since they already have a landfill in Sanger that is closed. The concern was the validity of the statement. Discussion on the landfill sites and the development that has developed around the sites. Council discussed the Lewisville site tour and the residence they visited. The people indicated to them there was a smell depending on how the wind is blowing. They also indicated the birds and the volume of trash at the landfill site. Discussion continued. Discussion briefly was scheduling the meeting with TNRCC. Mr. Fletcher indicated Annie Tyrone with TNRCC could possibly come and assist in addressing the concerns of the citizens. He would try to arrange for her to come. Mr. Flood indicated they will get back with Council on the meeting with TNRCC. 3. Discuss Budget. cc MINUTES - WORKSHOP 15/20/98 Budgets briefly discussed. PAGE 13 Mr. Smith refereed that part of the budgets is to determine revenue projections. Council indicated they do want worksheets included that each department head - submits. 4 . Meeting Adjourned. Jo W. Coker III, or ATTEST: n, Rosalie Chavez, City Secre ry